Looking at the time-scale, 2 years until it's available, is
there a reason for that, isn't that giving the competitors a chance
to overtake?
Nigel Clifford: This doesn't represent a pause, we're still
pushing forward in the meantime and also working on cleaning their
7million lines of code and use of third-party software before it
gets migrated to open source
Clarification needed, is it the IPR that's getting put into the
foundation? How many operating systems would you like to see in the
future and do you see the Symbian platform being the leader?
In the foundation we are able to use the source code, the
employees stay in Nokia.
And the IPR?
Nigel Clifford: IPR means less in the environment they're moving
into, the foundation will have a defined purpose
Kai Öistamö: Will also be guided by the Eclipse license
About the second question
Guido Arnone: Started a programme a while ago, decided to stay
with open platforms Symbian and S60. This move will simply the
challenges and align a platform to build upon, and stands a very
good chance of leading.
When do you think the first device will be out using the new
platform?
Kai Öistamö: Shades of grey on this, everything you develop
today. All foundations members will get the software 1H2009, All
integrated components will be available over the next 2 years.
Nigel Clifford: All of the assets (S60, UIQ, MOAP(S)) are
already working together now, so it's already there.
Webcast Question: Why did Nokia have to buy the shares? Why
didn't the other shareholds just contribute their side of
things?
Kai Öistamö: This was the discussed best way forward for the
group, for Nokia this is also a good investment, to which they're
looking for a very good return.
Isot kiitokset @dsample:lle! Woah, this was a
development I didn't quite expect... The real question is what will
be Nokia's Linux strategy when the open-source Symbian platform
emerges. Marginal? A kind of symbiosis where Symbian still
dominates for years to come? Also will the community step forward
to de-tangle the rather opaque (so I'm told) Symbian platform wrt
docs, interfaces and programming practices?
43 comments so far
Link through to the webcast: http://www.nokia.com/link?cid=EDITORIAL_...
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
It's just started
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
NO-kia, argh!
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
So, for us who can't watch it live, what are they saying...?
1 month, 4 weeks ago by swing.
First release of the new foundation code available 2009
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Acquiring Symbian Ltd, Closing expected in Q4 2008, Symbian Ltd to be part of Nokia, Nokia will contribute Symbian OS and S60 to Symbian Foundation
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Nigel Clifford (CEO, Symbian) on now
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Market stats: Symbian = 60%, Linux = 12%, Microsoft = 11%, missed the others
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Mats Lindoff (CTO, Sony Ericsson) up now
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Non-profit Symbian Foundation to provide, manage and unify the platform
Membership open to all
Source code available free at launch to all members
Committed to moving platform to open source over next two years
Going to use the Eclipse Public License
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Basically going thru the press releases only.. so far at least!
1 month, 4 weeks ago by vaibhavsharma.
Develop freely, no membership required.
Tools and resources available for free
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Planning to add Silverlight
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Alain Mutricy (SVP, Motorola) up now
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
MOAP(S) to go into the foundation as well
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
4Q2008 - Nokia to acquire Symbian Ltd
1H2009 - Contributions made to Symbian Foundation
1H2009 - Symbian Foundation launched
1H2010 - First complete Symbian Foundation release
Next 2 years - Platform assets made available as open source
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Now Q&A
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
@dsample: Great job mate!
1 month, 4 weeks ago by Cityrat59.
@dsample +1
1 month, 4 weeks ago by vaibhavsharma.
Sorry, got distracted by work, missed a couple of questions
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
What's the current royalty rates and how do they compare to other platforms:
Nigel Clifford: Symbian around $5, can't comment on other providers
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
What will this mean for employees at S60 in Nokia
Kai Öistamö: Symbian employees will become Nokia employees, then we will plan towards the end of the year how to use the fantastic unique talents
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
I'm paraphrasing, by the way, I'm not going to do a full transcript here, far too hard
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Is it just to get Microsoft out of the market
In short, the answer is no, it's a big move to an open source ecosystem for the platform. Will it make the platform more competitive? Yes, certainly.
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Are Nokia in the driving seat because of the acquisition?
In the beginning, yes, but it's all being contributed into the new non-profit organisation, so overall, no.
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Looking at the time-scale, 2 years until it's available, is there a reason for that, isn't that giving the competitors a chance to overtake?
Nigel Clifford: This doesn't represent a pause, we're still pushing forward in the meantime and also working on cleaning their 7million lines of code and use of third-party software before it gets migrated to open source
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Clarification needed, is it the IPR that's getting put into the foundation? How many operating systems would you like to see in the future and do you see the Symbian platform being the leader?
In the foundation we are able to use the source code, the employees stay in Nokia.
And the IPR?
Nigel Clifford: IPR means less in the environment they're moving into, the foundation will have a defined purpose
Kai Öistamö: Will also be guided by the Eclipse license
About the second question
Guido Arnone: Started a programme a while ago, decided to stay with open platforms Symbian and S60. This move will simply the challenges and align a platform to build upon, and stands a very good chance of leading.
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Webcast question: Will they really provide the software for free?
some laughing
Kai Öistamö: Yes
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
What will new products be using?
Alain Mutricy: Will continue to use Symbian UIQ for now until it's repositioned into the new ecosystem.
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
When do you think the first device will be out using the new platform?
Kai Öistamö: Shades of grey on this, everything you develop today. All foundations members will get the software 1H2009, All integrated components will be available over the next 2 years.
Nigel Clifford: All of the assets (S60, UIQ, MOAP(S)) are already working together now, so it's already there.
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Comparing to the Android movement, is that why it's happening?
No, people are actually using the devices already (200m), that's what's brought it together.
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
What about security?
Tommi Uhari: Open source and security are not mutually exclusive, lots of good things have been done in this way.
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Webcast Question: Why did Nokia have to buy the shares? Why didn't the other shareholds just contribute their side of things?
Kai Öistamö: This was the discussed best way forward for the group, for Nokia this is also a good investment, to which they're looking for a very good return.
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Webcast question: how will the foundation make sure they're giving back to the community?
Nigel Clifford: Giving 7million lines of code for starters, huge amount of innovation going to happen with it.
Alain Mutricy: It's the biggest contribution anyone's made.
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
What about developer communities like Forum Nokia?
Kai Öistamö: It's up to the manufacturers what they do with their communities.
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
Legal disclaimers, then the end
Thank you
1 month, 4 weeks ago by dsample.
than you duncan! great job.
1 month, 4 weeks ago by cybette.
great job @dsample Awesome man!
1 month, 4 weeks ago by adonisdemon.
@dsample: GREAT job! Duncan, and thnx
1 month, 4 weeks ago by Cityrat59.
@dsample++, many thanks!
1 month, 4 weeks ago by whiteg.
Thank you @dsample - I learned a lot from this thread.
1 month, 4 weeks ago by perttiniemisto.
Isot kiitokset @dsample:lle! Woah, this was a development I didn't quite expect... The real question is what will be Nokia's Linux strategy when the open-source Symbian platform emerges. Marginal? A kind of symbiosis where Symbian still dominates for years to come? Also will the community step forward to de-tangle the rather opaque (so I'm told) Symbian platform wrt docs, interfaces and programming practices?
1 month, 4 weeks ago by jkniiv.
@dsample thanx alot! ;)
1 month, 4 weeks ago by shazly.